turbo help!!!

[TONYTUNEZ]

hi guys still thinking about getting that kit of that bloke in tasmania, but also thing maybe i should just get the manifold and build a better kit with better parts.....i think I've answered my own question but could use some help on choosing the turbo......ive found a turbonetics just would like your thoughts on this model and if its good for the job!! its a hurricane series 7268-3 600-700hp rated,comp wheel hp72,comp in4'' out 2.5'',turbine wheel f1-68,turbine housing t3 0.84 a/r, turbine out 4'' v-band....part no 11521.....and what size wastgate to use on a different manifold.....cheers

[Dansedgli]

Got a link to the kit?

[Dansedgli]

PS we have different sections for a reason.

[TONYTUNEZ]

http://turboneticsinc.com/store/index.p ... duct_id=81" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



cheers will post in sections sorry new to this thought general meant anything... lol

[Dansedgli]

To the kit, not the turbo.

[TONYTUNEZ]

sorry it finished the other day don't have the link....im sure heaps of people have seen it on ebay its been up there a few times.......log manifold china turbo n gate i guess for 1630 bucks can't ask for much

[Dansedgli]

Save your money and do it right the first time. A shitty log manifold will be gay under a good turbo.

Get a 6boost manifold and the good turbo then you dont need to replace a thing.

[TONYTUNEZ]

true that!!! what are the 6boost ones worth??

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mate if yu are talking about the Log style manifold kits he sells on ebay my personal advice is look around honestly we tried his set-up at the very first stage of modifying the car and what a disappointment and the tuner also said that it left allot to be desired just a bitch to tune and didn't make many horses.

Save a few more dollars and do it right first time in the long run it will be cheaper and lot more effective power wise.

Quite often you see reasonable set-ups on here and other Ford forums actually the ford mod site a guy has a reasonable manifold at a great price.

We use a 6boost and a Garrett 35/82r and a Wolf ECU it makes awesome power.

best of luck

P.S. this is what we are running if it helps and it make unbelievable torque and power now.
Garrett GT 35/82R GT3R water cooled turbo
6Boost manifold
50mm Turbosmart Wastegate
50mm Turbosmart BOV
Turbosmart Fuel Reg 800
Wolf V500 ECU
Wolf Boost Controller
MLS-R Head gasket
Crow heavy valve springs
Camtec camshaft )CT007-845 /114lsa
Bosch XSpurt 1000cc 98lb Injectors
PWR inter-cooler ( 2 1/2" piping)
3" Dump with 100cel cat and full 3" system
Bosch external fuel pump and surge tank in boot
Gilroy Street/Track 2800rpm Stall converter

[TONYTUNEZ]

Thanks for the info will save a few more bucks for sure but like you say will be better in the long run...

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Thanks for the info will save a few more bucks for sure but like you say will be better in the long run...

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Sure will be and trust me you will be heaps more happier.

We did the same thing we got one of those shitty crap log manifolds from Tassie and the set-up spent dollars trying to tune it, even went out and got the Wolf V500 ECU to try and get it to preform but still crap the best we made was 213rwkw and that with several goes at tuning it lots of dollars on a dyno.

Then we change to what we got now and wow awesome 346rwkw and had to back it off there still had heaps more we could have gone the tuner said he thing he could have go to 420rwkw but the motor was unsafe till we put the good forged internals in the here come 500rwkw or more.

We ended up backing the tune off to a safe 270rwkw that's where it is now.

You will need to change the head gasket to a MLS-R 1.2mm one to drop the compression to a safe start that will get yu to over the 250 t0 300rwkw safely ok.

cheers

[TONYTUNEZ]

Thanks for all that info, big help... cheers I'm just so over my r33 at the moment I was making good power awhile ago just over the epa's cars back to stock now every day driver....Sickkkkk of getting pulled over for nothing bloody shits me....as I'm not a p plater I'm f#$kn 35yo....u have to be invisible these days...sleeper specs all the way....

[OMY-747]

Then we change to what we got now and wow awesome 346rwkw and had to back it off there still had heaps more we could have gone the tuner said he thing he could have go to 420rwkw but the motor was unsafe till we put the good forged internals in the here come 500rwkw or more.

You won't get 500rwkw from a gt3582r, let alone more.

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Then we change to what we got now and wow awesome 346rwkw and had to back it off there still had heaps more we could have gone the tuner said he thing he could have go to 420rwkw but the motor was unsafe till we put the good forged internals in the here come 500rwkw or more.

You won't get 500rwkw from a gt3582r, let alone more.

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Is that right? ... well time will tell wont it.

So you are presuming that we wont, well that we will never know because we wont be running a GT35/83r for a starter (seriously the existing turbo configuration wouldn't be up to it)

Firstly we will try a 106 rear housing and that not up to it well simply look at a bigger Garrett and the new cnc ported head we have sitting in the garage.

Actually its not so much the kw as the torque that is impressive, that what the bell ring.

cheers.

[TONYTUNEZ]

or shall i just buy a snort stage 3 kit??? a lot of guys say they work well on here and are worth the money is this true....is this the best option for the bucks or buy a second hand kit....

[67rce]

or shall i just buy a snort stage 3 kit??? a lot of guys say they work well on here and are worth the money is this true....is this the best option for the bucks or buy a second hand kit....

I've heard of Snort manifolds self destructing not long out of the warranty period. Spend the cash on 6Boost straight up IMHO.

[TONYTUNEZ]

anyone else make a good manifold besides snort or 6boost!!.... or a kit.......sorry about the million questions but all my knowledge has been in car audio for 16 years even tho someone in my family has had a boosted falcon for 31 years.....and uses a log manifold old school set up......i guess they just don't make 'em like they used to...lol

[iceman]

the snort manifolds dont self destruct - only few of the earlier production manifolds failed but usually under extream conditions ( there are manifolds/kits have lasted over 100,000klm without failure ) but in any case we no longer stock/supply them ( and has been the case for almost 2 years )

all our manifolds are hand fabricated in our workshop from s/steel s-10 steam pipe - this discussion was recently had with 6-boost and myself do we need to do it again??

[TONYTUNEZ]

i just want best value for buck!! so snort ones are fine then.....Now, and as a kit would you recommend the stage 3

[iceman]

i will provide the kit with the new stage 6 50mm turbo manifold ( the biggest/best we currently fabricate ) and you can show the people here the quality of the manifold/kit

i would also suggest the new borg warner 366sx turbocharger which support excess of 800hp

[OMY-747]

There's also etm, unless he closed up?

Also iceman is snort performance if you didn't already know.

[needfordspeed]

this discussion was recently had with 6-boost and myself do we need to do it again??

Please don't abuse me, but what'd 6BOOST say and where is the discussion?

[OMY-747]

Also interested to know, please post it publicly and not via pm.

[schrc]

which snort manifolds were a failure?

i bought a stage 5 in july 09' and still havnt used it...

warranty much? lol

is it safe for 380rwkw? or will it implode / explode haha.

[NUT347]

So the old snort manifolds that had issues of cracking are going to replace them?

Pretty sure Gozzas EB didn't get driven to "excessive heat conditions" and that manifold cracked numerous times.

[67rce]

And BI6TIM's old manifold cracked too! That thing never had a gearbox in it long enough to get hot!

[schrc]

damn..... my manifold has probably warped and cracked sitting on my bench in the sun.....

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I don't know if SNORT manifold have any issues but at the time of buying our manifold I choose 6boost simply because I have 2 friends that have them and over the Christmas period I though he was the quickest to supply maybe he was and maybe he wasn't but I sure would have gone for a SNORT to with out any worries.

I think after talking to iceman a couple of times he seems to be a genuine guy and if you did happen to have any issue talking to him about it see him see you right.

I personal don't think the difference if any between 6boost and snort is that big an issue I believe its the combination of all the product use that make the difference, so what I am saying is buy quality products and your 90% there.

Cheers

[NUT347]

Jesus mate, are you wasted?

[OMY-747]

6boost is world wide proven and has lifetime warranty and cheaper then a snort stage 6 manifold.

[iceman]

as said above only few production manifolds failed ( usually due to extended heat cycling ) , the manifold runners never cracked it was the thinner material s/steel that would peel away from the turbo flange divide ( collector ) again only a few failed over time ( years )

the production manifolds where produced and sold at a much lower price , when we first encountered the problem the decision was made to limit the manifolds use to stage 2 application 200-250rwkw and when used in this manner would provide years of service , if ANY of the manifolds failed in the warranty period we would replace them without issue and we do offer a discount to those whom wish to upgrade

we provide many products for a range of prices/applications 6-boost doesnt , the discussion about snort/6boost manifolds was on fordmods and after i spoke with kyle the posts where removed as he was also unaware of the true details of our product lineup

i dont believe in providing a ( lifetime warranty ) its more a marketing idea ( how many years is that anyway?) , however we always try our best to look after ANY customer if they had warranty concern - there are 100s of the production stage 4 manifolds sold and still in use today ! , in some cases even when the manifold failed well outside its warranty period and used beyond the original application we have replaced them

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6boost is world wide proven and has lifetime warranty and cheaper then a snort stage 6 manifold.

I have a 6boost manifold and I can tell you that when I purchased it I can tell you that the 6boots was more expensive then the snort.

As to the current prices I don't know.

Do you run a 6boost manifold?
Have you tested the 2 manifolds against each outer?
Were the test done using the same car and equipment?
How much more torque and KW did the 6boost make over the snort.
Can you please post any dyno sheets and documented information you have to justify you telling us the 6boost is proven world wide?

I like to see and have a read about my 6boost purchase be interesting.

Anyway I like the idea of life time warranty.

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Jesus mate, are you wasted?

For what reason do you ask if I am wasted and to answer your question No I am not wasted.

[iceman]

yeah i understand the confidence it provides the customer ( lifetime warranty ) however i dont see myself still making turbo manifolds when i am 90 lol , for this reason i believe it to be misleading in some ways but we back our current manifolds/products 100%

we have been around building turbo kits manifolds for over 10 years , have developed more products/range then any other manufacturer ( in some cases over developed) the stage 4 production manifold when first released was at the top of the market place - back when 250rwkw was huge power and a t70 turbocharger was considered too big lol

as the years have gone by we have changed our product/design many ,many times , the stage 5 manifold for example was only fabricated for a limited time and then discontinued as we searched to improve our products

our iceman 1200 intake manifolds , stage 6 turbo manifolds will match/exceed any other products sold price/reliability in australia , we dont make false claims that our products will provide more power/boost/spool time as none have been tested back/back anywhere!!

we have customers producing power from 300rwhp-1000+rwhp but 95% of customers are seeking the lower 250rwkw
when fitting to stock engines you dont require a gt42 ball bearing turbocharger ect so we developed products to suit the application/price and again when used in the correct way will yield years/years of service , even garrett ball bearing turbochargers will fail under the wrong conditions and they will have no problem voiding warranty if found to be excessive heat ect caused from poor tuning / excessive time burnouts /racing/dyno even garrett produce specific models for each application

[EBOOST]

Isn't it only lifetime warranty for the original purchaser?

I've owned 3 car's with snort turbo kit on and never had an issue while they were in my possession.
A mate has an old snort kit and there were cracks around the wastegate pipe but it had done a fair few k's and used to glow a lot.
It cracked when there was an oil leak from the turbo drain after it glowing on the dyno.
Cheers josh.

[Rollin]

Pretty sure there is a guy on here who has a fairly new snort manifold shit itself just the other day? I remember commenting in his build thread.

Lifetime warranty is only useful if the product breaks. I don't know if 6boost gives any warranty on his manifolds but after using (and very much abusing) mine for about 5 years on an EB and an ED it is still straight and has never cracked. I've had the thing glowing *bright* red more times than I could count, and for long periods of time too, on the street and on race tracks.

In comparison, the snort manifold on Gloria has probably only ever glowed while the car was being tuned (if that) but has cracked multiple times.

The problem is that stainless is shit for turbo manifolds! If snort made their stuff from normal steam pipe i'm sure it would be great, but stainless is prettier so uneducated people buy pretty things instead.

Get a 6boost manifold, it will last longer than the worlds remaining oil reserves.

[TUFED6]

I'd buy from any manufacturer that used mild steel steam pipe. Tuned length or log. Thick wall manifolds are just about indestructible as long as its welded by something with enough balls to penetrate properly.

On the other hand, I would never ever ever ever ever EVER buy a manifold that wasn't made from thick wall tube. Anything thats thin will not be able to handle constant heat cycles.

My $0.02.

[iceman]

s/steel is a better material , as i mention above rollin it was the material thickness which caused the problems

in the very early days we fabricated the manifolds from tubular s/steel which over time would fatigue/crack ( remember the welds were linished/polished ) however they still provided years of service - make the same product from mild steel 2mm and see how long it lasts !!

ba turbo manifolds and exhaust housings are s/steel same as tial - wastegates bodys are s/steel in most cases and its not just about the appearance as we dont even polish the manifolds anymore either does ford ect - s/steel costs more and is harder to work with but compare mild steel/s/steel with same material thickness the s/steel will endure everytime

gloria is a freak , after 3 or more engines failures 2 or more turbochargers - fire ect and all this without even getting the manifold hot?? we offered support to gozza all the way and some cases he chose not to take it

with the older production manifolds they can be repaIred in most cases that is if you have not let your mates loose with a mig welder , any customer who contacts us we always try to help and again as above in some cases we HAVE offered to replace the manifolds and no charge but we are under no obligation to do so especially when the products is many years old and was purchased as a lower level kit

there are 100s of the stage 4 production sold across australia and there is only a few documented cases of the manifolds failure in over 10 years which again shows when setup correctly they will provide many years of service - some of the stage 4 manifolds would be almost 8 years old now , the fact remains that we no longer sell/stock the production manifolds/modified our designs/materials many times over the years so the point is done??

compare our current products ( even our stage 2 kits ) are now supplied with hand fabricated manifolds s/steel steam pipe double tig welded merged collector ect , there are many documented success storys here on boosted also but you consistantly rely on the same old argument

[NUT347]

this discussion was recently had with 6-boost and myself do we need to do it again??

Please don't abuse me, but what'd 6BOOST say and where is the discussion?

What's this about iceman? Keen to hear.

[EBOOST]

Why does he need to make a discussion between him and another business public on here?