turbo help!!!

iceman · Post by **iceman** » August 21st, 2012, 10:21 pm

67rce wrote:
EBOOST wrote:But you all know each other so not hard to know someone that has had a cracked manifold?

So you want Geoff to just let people take a stab without any defence on snorts behalf?

I know of 1 6boost manifold that a weld cracked but his brother was a welder so he just welded it up again.
It was on an r31 with rb30 and .gt3582r and he got the manifold second hand if you need all that info.
But the difference is, Kyle will fix it, no questions asked.

and so would snortperformance , however not after your mate has tried to mig weld it

EBOOST · Post by **EBOOST** » August 21st, 2012, 10:22 pm

Leave it now maybe?

I think you're point has been put across now it's unto the people reading to listen or not.
I think new customers will read but others that have a sour taste won't.

I'd recommend snort to anyone and have done but others obviously think otherwise because of things that have happened.

I think what needfordspeed said is on the money.

Post by **needfordspeed** » August 21st, 2012, 10:26 pm

ismokecrackiceman, I'm on your side man, relax up a little.

The warranty thing was when Rollin got F'd in the A.

But like you've been saying, all your stuff should be quality now? That's what i'm getting at, in the past there have been issues (you'd have to be an idiot to deny that) But it seems like your trying to do the right thing and improve quality so it doesn't happen again.

NUT347 · Post by **NUT347** » August 21st, 2012, 10:30 pm

Yeah the issue seems to be resolved now.

But we won't go into the customer service side of snort, thats a topic for another night!

OMY-747 · Post by **OMY-747** » August 21st, 2012, 10:39 pm

I know iceman won't recommend buying his old gear 2nd hand as when I looked at purchasing some of his old gear 2nd hand I sent him a pm on here asking his opinion and he suggested buying a new manifold as the new ones are far superior to the old ones. Something along those line, I no longer have the pm.

The problem there though, was that I then had no idea about the old gear having issues and the way it came across to me not knowing that was that it was more of a sales pitch to try and sell new products and wasn't even interested in backing up his own past work. But now knowing the past work has had issues and faults then I can see why he suggested that.

But anywho, bed time.

iceman · Post by **iceman** » August 21st, 2012, 10:42 pm

mate we have always worked on improving our products , with more development then any other company shows just that

we have invested more $$$ in making products to suit the e series platform then any other company in australia , i have not denied at any time if our products have failed and have given explanations to the reasons why

rollin didnt get fucked in the ass , he has never purchased anything from us period and if we are talking about his turbo failure it was pulled down and inspected by rotomaster in melbourne and there determination was it failed due to contact between comp cover/comp wheel ( the bearings and seals still fine ) , they would never lie for us and this was the actual diagnosis - further more the very same turbocharger was fitted to big6tims car prior to fitment rollins and was preforming without problems??

we lost 2 turbochargers trying to keep rollin going , when the report from rotomaster was given it was blood/war all this for a used turbocharger ?? i was shocked to see rollin purchased gozzas car ( being it was fitted with snort gear and had been problematic ) but maybe he likes the challange?

rat on here purchased a stage 2 kit , has semi raced/drifted the car many times over the 3 years before the manifold failed and when i noticed i contacted him and offered a replacement of the new stage 6 - this is in part for his contribution to boosted with his videos ect and never felt the need to rage war againts snort

we do look after our customers even beyond the warranty period

OMY-747 · Post by **OMY-747** » August 21st, 2012, 10:46 pm

I wasn't saying that you don't honor it or that you denied to have faulty products in the past. Just saying that I had no idea about the faulty products, so when you suggested against it and recommended a new kit I thought it was a sales pitch, but now I know it was more you just trying to help me out in getting a better quality kit.

iceman · Post by **iceman** » August 21st, 2012, 10:54 pm

omy-747 your local here correct? then pm me and arrange to meet i will show you the products first hand

the point here is that only a few of the stage 4 production manifold have failed in over 8 years of service so its making a mountain from a mole hill

further more if you do have an older snort manifold and you have not let your mates loose with the mig we can usually repair them

67rce · Post by **67rce** » August 22nd, 2012, 12:02 am

iceman wrote:omy-747 your local here correct? then pm me and arrange to meet i will show you the products first hand

the point here is that only a few of the stage 4 production manifold have failed in over 8 years of service so its making a mountain from a mole hill

further more if you do have an older snort manifold and you have not let your mates loose with the mig we can usually repair them

Really? A Sydney member says his experiences were different!

iceman · Post by **iceman** » August 22nd, 2012, 6:08 am

yes and i have many more that would say otherwise

a member comes here to ask details about our stage 3 kit and he is told

the snort manifolds will crack just after warranty period - wrong there are 100s of the snort production manifolds still in use today and documented cases of the hardware in excess of 100,000klm

snort dont honor warranty - wrong we have always tried to help any customer and again there are many documented cases which shows otherwise

snort dosnt offer customer service - wrong again documented cases here that show that we have also provided services beyond what the customer has paid for

giving the assumption our products are poor qaulity and ripping people off are just some of the reasons i am here to defend the product/company , we have provided details of past/present products materials used - fabrication process ect - claiming we fucked rollin with warranty when a 3rd party did the inspection and had already lost 2 turbochargers is again misleading

do a search on any performance product/workshop and you will see both sides , we have developed products for both price/performance and we supply warranty of all the hardware same as supplied by garrett ect - no we dont offer lifetime warranty and have explained why nor are we expected to support discontinued product or parts purchased second hand - misused and abused

we will help people however where possible , we have not always had the best customer service with regards to 24hrs phone support but again i have explained why this can be the case and the actions we have undertaken to try and prevent further problems our main aim is to get the product fabricated and delivered to the customer which is what matters most

we supply a range of products designed for specific applications , you dont purchase a powerdyne supercharger and run 18psi aand not expect the unit to fail and your warranty void ( when the units are rated to 9 psi) our products have proven both performance and reliability even with the lower end kits - product failure and manifolds cracking is part of the game which happens to hks, tial , garrett even the factory ford manifold and exhaust housing will fatigue over time and crack -further more as e-boost has mentioned above even 6 boost manifolds have been shown to crack and have fitment issues ( but very rare )

bottom line every manufacturer has experienced product failures not matter the size or reputation , we developed liquid cooled plenums - p/d water cooled supercharger systems - many stages of turbo kits ranging in both price and performance - ceramic ball bearing turbochargers - many stages of manifolds including twin turbo and still you guys try to dispute snorts credit after 10 years ++ of service

i hope people can see the true motives behind some of the posts/comments made here

Mr. CVE · Post by **Mr. CVE** » August 22nd, 2012, 8:14 am

I may as well jump in here.
CVE has been a dealer and using Snort stuff for years now.

A lot of manifold issues can come from the installation process. There are good and bad ways of installing them.
I suppose that is why CVE has a very low cracking rate compared to others.

I have always stated if you deal through a SNORT dealer like CVE you get excellent communication and support, I don't think anyone can say otherwise. We do not charge extra for this, however people rather talk to Snort and complain because he is working and does not take calls.

I have been with SNORT during the days and the phone rings flat out, if it was me I would have someone on the phones while he does the work. I suppose that is why he has a dealer network.
I have sold and sent kits and serviced people all over Australia so location is no issues.

One of the issues here is ( and this is not taking a shot at SNORT nor the competitors ) Snort makes a low cost kit, this is sold to people who may not always understand the complexity of the installation, and the kit may be fitted bad,mistreated or other things. then it is the kit's fault. Where if you get a more detailed kit at a higher price you will also have a lower market share, but the class of purchasers will understand the complexities of said kit. ( that is not taking a shot at the E series people, just a fact )

Yes SNORT has had issues in the past but WE ( SNORT and CVE ) have worked to continuously improve the kits, and it has worked well. The other problem is there are hundreds of SNORT manifolds out there, each version better than the last, so the older ones can ruin it for the newer ones.

Now these are just my opinion, but they are my experiences and feel that some of the newer people should know this.

Oh FYI my mustang has a stainless steel tubular manifold and it not cracked or warped last pass on low boost went 8.20 @173 mph

Regards
Paul

Post by **TUFED6** » August 22nd, 2012, 8:23 am

How many heat cycles does the tube manifold get in a normal day when you drive it to work?

Mr. CVE · Post by **Mr. CVE** » August 22nd, 2012, 8:28 am

TUFED6 wrote:How many heat cycles does the tube manifold get in a normal day when you drive it to work?

I work from home

But I can tell you when it warms up it probably gets pretty hot !

OMY-747 · Post by **OMY-747** » August 22nd, 2012, 10:29 am

The way I see it, it's just a matter of personal opinion. If you look at edfairmontturbo his got what 520rwkw and running a snort manifold so there's a car proving the snort gear. And a lot of others but that's probably the highest powered car running a snort manifold? That I know of at least. And 6boost is proven a lot more times just not on e series falcon's. For me to see snort saying on here publicly that he will help outside of warranty if it cracks makes it again a toss up on which to choose. Snort being local is something I like. But on the other hand I have always been a massive 6boost fan considering I came from the vl turbo scene where it always was if you want something decent it was 6boost or etm and etm seems to have vanished from most places left only really 6boost.

So basically I've just always been a fan of 6boost which is the only real reason I lean more towards a 6boost manifold, but I'm still ages of getting a decent hotside kit so I could change my mind by then.

Dansedgli · Post by **Dansedgli** » August 22nd, 2012, 10:44 am

Cool story bro. Now sshh and let the people with experience talk.

Rollin · Post by **Rollin** » August 22nd, 2012, 11:38 am

Mr CVE could you please explain to the un-initiated how differing installation process can encourage or reduce manifold issues, and what thr correct process is?

Post by **TUFED6** » August 22nd, 2012, 11:49 am

In b4 shitstorm. <3 this forum lately. Nice and angsty the way i like it.

Ideally no-one would post anything because they are too afraid to start somethin.

Post by **needfordspeed** » August 22nd, 2012, 11:58 am

John I deleted your post, it wasn't relevant.

Post by **EFFalcon** » August 22nd, 2012, 12:08 pm

please explain

thread is about people having issues with manifolds.

Post by **needfordspeed** » August 22nd, 2012, 12:45 pm

iceman wrote: as much as you guys may want to see 6-boost and myself go to war the chance are very low

That's the explanation, they don't want a shit fight.

OMY keeps bringing up the whole 6BOOST thing.

This reminds me of those workshop war threads from other forums

Rollin · Post by **Rollin** » August 22nd, 2012, 12:47 pm

Thread was actually started by a guy wanting help with turbo choice but got side tracked early on with manifold choices, and the cost/benefit ratio of cheap second hand VS expensive new parts.

It's a good thread though as interesting points have been raised. I'm keen to hear from Mr CVE re manifold fitting, as i'm sure many of the other less experienced builders on boosted are. Nobody wants to **** a manifold by fitting it wrong.

Post by **EFFalcon** » August 22nd, 2012, 12:54 pm

Seems that digging the boot into snort is ok, but quoting a comment regarding someone being unhappy with a 6boost product is unacceptable?
my post wasnt attempting to start a war, it was simply high lighting that people are unhappy with products from both sides of the fence.

Post by **EFFalcon** » August 22nd, 2012, 12:55 pm

Rollin wrote: Nobody wants to **** a manifold by fitting it wrong.

i fitted an exhaust gasket wrong once...

Rollin · Post by **Rollin** » August 22nd, 2012, 12:57 pm

EFFalcon wrote:Seems that digging the boot into snort is ok, but quoting a comment regarding someone being unhappy with a 6boost product is unacceptable?
my post wasnt attempting to start a war, it was simply high lighting that people are unhappy with products from both sides of the fence.

I'm interested to hear about this.

Post by **EFFalcon** » August 22nd, 2012, 1:00 pm

sorry Rollin, grand ma gilly said no

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Rollin · Post by **Rollin** » August 22nd, 2012, 1:05 pm

Bum. Ever had sex with an african male prostitute? Either have I, but I'd imagine the feeling you'd have afterwards would be similar to the feeling I get when I visit fordforums :/

BLKPHN · Post by **BLKPHN** » August 22nd, 2012, 1:08 pm

I thought i might throw up my experience with having snort products on my EB way way back in the day.

I had tried to get in contact with snort many times only to have my phone calls never returned and then answered but then asked if they could call back and never did. After finally getting an order placed it took a long time to receive the product, which was perfectly fine as i was buying and hand made item that of course it does take time to make. Upon getting the manifold it was soon realized that the manifold did not line up not even close, even using studs in the head to aid in getting a perfect fitment. I had to get the die grinder out and enlarge the holes for bolts and on the exhaust pipe, I told snort this and due to it being a very very early model I could understand that its was not going to be perfect it may have even been the first of the spaghetti style manifolds. The manifold was perfect for many years going through many E-series members hands, and I believe it is still alive.

Just my experience I had.

sec · Post by **sec** » August 22nd, 2012, 1:37 pm

Yer it was about a guy trying to find out what turbo set up to use, I explained what we done and where we went wrong with a log manifold set up and how we went to 6boost in saying that I also stated it wasn't anything to do with SNORT just at the time we had a couple of friends using 6boost and Kyle was willing to do the job over Christmas at the right price then we posted what the combination set up we have now and what we though.

I am not saying that my thread start the storm just explaining my views ok guys.

Some how its turned into a shit fight, I think people are jut trying to vent there issues and view although it has been interesting reading.

As long as it doesn't get personal its ok, I hate it when people get a set on the person not the product that my view for what's it worth.

Basically I don't see any major difference between the two manifold spoken about both seem to work good it come down to price at the time and personal preferences.

It comes down to any product like CAM. Pistons, Cranks and so on I am sure people have issues with each brand name that mechanical parts and no matter who makes them from the top range to the cheapish they all can have failures.

As to SNORT yes I can see why he would defend his product as anyone would its his livelihood and puts food on the table for his family.
Cheers

Post by **TONYTUNEZ** » August 22nd, 2012, 2:03 pm

Post was only intended for help that's all.....I almost feel bad now..

Rollin · Post by **Rollin** » August 22nd, 2012, 2:26 pm

Don't feel bad, there is a lot in this thread that people will be able to search for in the future. Hopefully Mr CVE will give us the education on fitting manifolds that I've asked for too, further adding value to the thread.

With luck your original question may be answered eventually too

Post by **needfordspeed** » August 22nd, 2012, 2:35 pm

iceman wrote: we have customers producing power from 300rwhp-1000+rwhp

Which one of your customers is making 1000+rwhp? Is it a falcon? Got anymore details on it? Sounds very interesting

iceman · Post by **iceman** » August 22nd, 2012, 2:59 pm

we have more then a few vehicles running top end power figures but we dont keep track on them , however i will tell you this particular vehicle is fitted with one of our twin turbo systems -iceman 1200 plenum combinations , the car is used for speedway events and is producing excess of 1000rwhp @ 25psi ( from the customers own words ) sorry no more details as its up to the customer if they wish to share on these forums

on another note some of you may also know of an el falcon in wa running 8 sec 1/4 mile? noticed the shiny s/steel manifold ( which has cracked many times ) , well i contact rod and asked if he knew who manufactured the manifold and he was unsure to be exact but thought it may have been purchased on ebay ..... i then told rod that as far as we know snort performance was the only company to have fabricated and sold on ebay polished s/steel turbo manifolds for the falcon platform and it would be a high chance it was one of our production versions

Post by **needfordspeed** » August 22nd, 2012, 3:08 pm

Apparently from a close friend of Rod's"

the exhaust manifold was originally made by norm buttler, then sent to china to be reproduced.

iceman · Post by **iceman** » August 22nd, 2012, 3:13 pm

well i spoke with rod direct and i also read the post as to why i contacted him

have you ever seen a norm butler s/steel polished turbo manifold? and if they where reproduced then where did the go ?

Mr. CVE · Post by **Mr. CVE** » August 22nd, 2012, 3:13 pm

needfordspeed wrote:Apparently from a close friend of Rod's"
the exhaust manifold was originally made by norm buttler, then sent to china to be reproduced.

Don't want to reveal your source ??

If it is on the internet then it must be true !

Probably should get back on topic ?

iceman · Post by **iceman** » August 22nd, 2012, 3:20 pm

also the twin turbo system i quoted above is setup with snort turbochargers !!

we sold the package as 2 x turbo manifolds 2 x spgt3582 1 x iceman 1200 plenum al of which was delivered for 4200.00 - this also shows our products can be both cost effective and still be at the top end of the power levels

here is the first dyno run @ 12 psi

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Post by **EFFalcon** » August 22nd, 2012, 3:21 pm

the quote was from a someone who claims to know Rod's very well on fullboost.

Post by **TUFED6** » August 22nd, 2012, 4:21 pm

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NUT347 · Post by **NUT347** » August 22nd, 2012, 6:36 pm

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OMY-747 · Post by **OMY-747** » August 22nd, 2012, 7:00 pm

needfordspeed wrote:
iceman wrote: as much as you guys may want to see 6-boost and myself go to war the chance are very low
That's the explanation, they don't want a shit fight.

OMY keeps bringing up the whole 6BOOST thing.

This reminds me of those workshop war threads from other forums

sorry, but i wasn't one of the ones bagging snort out and stating 6boost to be better. i don't want them to go to war, only saying i see it as a matter of personal opinion and explained my reason's for my choice. not wanting to cause shit here, just can't see how it's me bringing up an argument when it's not me bagging on snort gear.

about to pm snort myself now